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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2016, 01:21:19 PM »
I love that idea Randy, but I do have one slight concern (the same concern I had when I was thinking of mounting a water tank to my roof), which is how will a bunch of sloshing liquid mounted that high above the center of gravity affect the vehicle while wheeling, especially if you get into a particularly hairy situation like the one I got in to up on Cleghorn a couple months back.

I took a bad line and ended up sliding into a rut and came to a stop with about 30 or 35 degrees of roll toward the passenger side and was well up on 3 or even 2 wheels. PainRoller and FixItGuy were quick to run over and jump on the driver's side to keep me from going all the way over. Simply having an extra 70 lbs (12 gallons of gas) on the roof probably wouldn't have been enough to send me tumbling all the way over in that incident, but having 50 lbs (8.5ish gallons) shift rapidly to that side of the roof while I was tipping would certainly have done the trick.

I've often wondered about the effects of slosh and the way it shifts weight. It doesn't seem to be an issue at all if the weight is low and you're under normal driving conditions - hell, they don't baffle stock fuel tanks or even large fuel tanker trucks that you see on the highway. But the moment you move that weight up high and insert yourself into a situation where you're guaranteed to be pitching and rolling a lot, I wonder what could happen. Probably a very low risk, but seems to me that your best bet would be to fill it all the way up every time you have it on your roof so the weight doesn't shift, and then to empty it fully when you do use it.   

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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2016, 09:24:43 PM »
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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2016, 10:41:26 PM »
You're right Joe, it will add to the tilt-ability.  But with a lower CG than an upright jerry can, and only being 14" wide, I don't think it's any worse.  I'm more afraid of running out of gas than tipping over, when I'm geared up for a long run.
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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2016, 07:28:37 AM »
Joe brings up a good point. Weight on the roof is a valid concern for tiltability...and by my basic math calcs 12 gallons of gas on the roof weighs roughly 84 pounds.

Any concern about this weight on the roof?


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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2016, 08:46:19 AM »
Joe brings up a good point. Weight on the roof is a valid concern for tiltability...and by my basic math calcs 12 gallons of gas on the roof weighs roughly 84 pounds.

Any concern about this weight on the roof?


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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2016, 08:55:42 AM »
  Pick a good line?

Goes without saying.  :)

But seriously, one of the biggest fails I saw in Moab each year was the bad habit of lashing a spare tire to the roof.  Even with premium line choice, this increases the odds of a tight spot/off camber tip/roll over.

Honestly speaking, and this is by no means a dig at Duffman (well, maybe it is  ;) ;) ;) )...but he rarely finds himself in those extreme situations, so probably not a concern there.

There is a reason most OEM fitments place the gas tank and spare tire underneath the vehicle...keeping the weight and CG low.
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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2016, 01:32:23 PM »
I don't often say this, but Geo is right!
  I drive one way when I'm fully loaded (pun intended) and more aggressively when not.  I would not try the silly things that I love to do at Cleghorn, while fully loaded for a 3 or 4 day trip across a desert.  Yes, sh** can happen anytime, but we all roll the dice a little whenever we go wheeling.  In fact my whole roof rack comes off with 4 bolts for any serious stuff.  I keep it module.

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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2016, 02:04:04 PM »
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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2016, 02:08:44 PM »
Nice Randy! 

Did you do that all by yourself?

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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2016, 02:27:49 PM »
I don't often say this, but Geo is right!

Marked my calendar.  ;)

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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2016, 03:03:18 PM »
Leave it the electrician.  Unistrut is like McGyvers duct tape. :D
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Re: Carrying Extra Gas
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2016, 04:06:47 PM »
Good call Tim, the stuff is magic, and I don't think Home Dumpo (we can say that now right?) even knows what it is.

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