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valentin36

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Suspension advice
« on: June 16, 2016, 10:01:34 AM »
So I know I as a lot and been doing my research but I'm stump here. I want to put a rear swing tire bumper so need better suspension(shocks/leaves maybe adjustable shackles)
and at some point a full metal bumper and skids.
So there's many suspension kits out there, I'm on a budget but I'm trying to get something that will last me some years before having to replace or rebuild.
I'm looking at a few kits but would you guys recommend do the rear first like this,

http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=59142&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

or go with

http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=59009&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72
http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=59033&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/radflo_2_0_xterra_rear_emulsion_shocks/

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/prg-dlx-rear-kit-x/
just the rear shock and shackle and add the aal kit used from someone on here

OR

http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=58998&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/xterra-coilover-pkg/

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/spc-adanced-kit/

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so start small with the back(maybe the front theres specials at some point 4th July coming up idk if they do that) or just all go with a full kit. Keep in mind if im going into my plastic I wana get the bang for the buck. Thanks for the input guys.

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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 11:05:54 AM »
Have you considered OME?
http://nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=58951&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

I'm on a budget too and this kit seems to be a great all around suspension upgrade.

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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 02:40:15 PM »
I have looked into yet if im going to do a full upgrade. id want the uca's as well yet im assuming I should be able to throw any on there with this one as well, yet it be cheaper to go with one of the other full kits.

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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2016, 06:18:53 AM »
One thing I forget to even bring up at the food truck me to those I was talking too about the suspension. did they extend the brake lines or rotate the bracket holding the brake lines?

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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2016, 07:32:25 AM »
I forgot how high you plan to get, I only did ~2" and did not bother.  From what I have read, its when you get to 3" or more that you need to extend or put the metal loop in.

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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2016, 07:43:33 AM »
One thing I forget to even bring up at the food truck me to those I was talking too about the suspension. did they extend the brake lines or rotate the bracket holding the brake lines?
I used a home made bracket. there are a few threads on TNX on brakelines
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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 09:10:26 AM »
So I know I as a lot and been doing my research but I'm stump here. I want to put a rear swing tire bumper so need better suspension(shocks/leaves maybe adjustable shackles)
and at some point a full metal bumper and skids.
So there's many suspension kits out there, I'm on a budget but I'm trying to get something that will last me some years before having to replace or rebuild.
I'm looking at a few kits but would you guys recommend do the rear first like this,

http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=59142&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

or go with

http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=59009&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72
http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=59033&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/radflo_2_0_xterra_rear_emulsion_shocks/

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/prg-dlx-rear-kit-x/
just the rear shock and shackle and add the aal kit used from someone on here

OR

http://www.nissteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=58998&category_id=173&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/xterra-coilover-pkg/

http://www.prgproducts.com/shop/product/spc-adanced-kit/

RECOMMENDATIONS APPRECIATED!!
so start small with the back(maybe the front theres specials at some point 4th July coming up idk if they do that) or just all go with a full kit. Keep in mind if im going into my plastic I wana get the bang for the buck. Thanks for the input guys.

That's a lot of options to consider...plus I like Edwin's OME choice as well.  Looks like your budget is around $1,600 OTD?

Specifically, what do you want from your rig (how much lift?) and where/what type of wheeling do you want to do?

Most people start out mild (you mentioned a tire carrier bumper, eventually skids and a steel plate front bumper) and then go wheeling a couple times, and then priorities change.

You will get a lot of opinions here, and everyone's going to be different based upon their tastes/wheeling goals.

Helpful tip:  take a spin through the Display Case section of this site (if you haven't already) and look at the rigs you like, and use their build as a goal guideline.  This can cut some time off of the ever churning Opinion Machine  ;) ;) ;)

Look specifically at JFanaselle's rig...this is a great example of starting small and working towards a very capable overland/off road rig.  There are others of course, but hey, Avalanche guys gotta stick together.  ;) ;)

All of the lift packages you listed are great options, and all have different pluses and minuses, although they are subject to...you guessed it...opinions.

Having used all three (OME, PRG, Nisstec) it's tough to pick one and tell you it is best. 

Again, surf this and other forums and read some threads and you will start to see common themes. 

When looking at lift options, 3" of lift is usually the barometer of mild to more wild.  The lift packages you listed are all good choice, but it depends on what type of wheeling you want to do now, and in the future.  Odds are, you will buy something now, wheel for a little while, and upgrade more later as your skills/goals develop.

Bottom line:  you can't go wrong with any of those suspension distributors...and I would give Steven Lutz @ Rugged Rocks a call as well.

(909) 547-4651


He is pretty much the West Coast guru when it comes to suspension (all respect to Greg, but Steven answers his phone... :D) and off road parts for Nissans big and small. 

Plus, he's just a really nice guy.  And he makes cool stickers.  :)

Final bottom line:  you can't go wrong with a 2.5-3" lift package that includes upgraded coilovers, rear leafs (AAL or full packs), rear shocks, new U-bolts, rear axle/leaf pack shims @ 3* to avoid "that vibe", and don't forget the extended brake lines...then (depending on where you live) send a shout out for a mod day to The Duffman (Brooktown locale) or Toro (El Norte Mas Fina) to get your chit on.  We all love mod days and suspension upgrades!  8) 8) 8)

Good luck man...you are about to have a lot of fun while we help you melt that plastic!
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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 11:00:57 AM »
Just to elaborate on what Ghost said (especially since my build thread doesn't really show the progression, so it's tough to understand if you haven't been following the process)...

I didn't really have a  goal in mind when I started modding my rig. My only priorities in the beginning were keeping it "street-able" enough to be a good DD for my commute, and making sure it was rugged enough to tackle back roads when I was storm chasing or photographing wildfires on the weekends.

I started with a super cheap eBay special lift kit that consisted of a rear shackle and front spacer. It gave me a nicer stance (about 1.5" of lift in the rear and 2" in the front), but it rode like crap on stock shocks/coils at that height, and looked really goofy with stock 31" street tires. So I soon upgraded all the way around to Bilstein 5100s that I purchased used from another member on the forum, and then sold my stock tires and upgraded to 32" Goodyear Duratracs (265 75 16). I went with a 32" because, again, I was trying to stick with a modest approach to keep the vehicle as economical as possible for commuting (cheaper to replace, better MPG, etc). I ran the rig like this for quite a while and went on several trips with the group.

I started to realize that I really loved the overland style of offroading, and developed a vision of how I wanted my rig to be. I really wanted a serious overlanding rig that was set up to spend multiple days at a time in the desert or mountains. Since then, I've slowly upgraded more and more, mostly waiting until I came into a good deal on something, or waiting until I had an absolute need for what I was going to buy (such as buying my ARB fridge once I had plans to spend nearly a week in Death Valley). I purchased a pair of UCAs that someone was selling for cheap, and kept them in my garage until I had enough money to buy some new Radflo 2.0 coilovers and PRG rear shackles. More recently, I purchased a set of used Radflo 2.5" coilovers and sold off my 2.0s. Every time I've upgraded, I've pulled off the existing components and either gave them away, or sold them on the cheap to someone else that was starting out or upgrading, since this is the same way I've acquired many of my parts as well.

So as John said - if you have an idea what kind of wheeling you plan to do with your rig, you can dive right in to the best option for your needs. If you don't, it might be best to start small and slowly upgrade as you develop priorities and needs/wants. Going wheeling is the best way to understand what you like, and what you need to do it. It's almost always a safe bet to go with tires, skid plates and sliders as first mods, because you have a need for them almost regardless of what style of wheeling you do or what your goals are for your rig. As far as suspension - there are a few different ways to build your rig up, and what is ideal for someone might not be ideal for you based on how frequently you wheel (and how frequently you drive your rig on the street), your style of wheeling (rock crawling, overland, climbing hills, fire roads, etc.), and your budget. As John said, you'll get a ton of different opinions from everyone (and really, they're all right!), but the best thing is to do tons of reading/research and ask tons of questions to understand how each of these options will work for you, and what the pros/cons are of each. Only then can you make the most informed decision for yourself based on your goals and the way you plan to use your rig.

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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2016, 01:08:42 PM »
All you overland guys, tisk tisk tisk................


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Re: Suspension advice
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2016, 03:27:24 PM »
Overall, looking at everyones rigs, I went with the complete prg advanced kit, added shackles to it. Plus add up some leafs got from celt with fresh ubolts. Kept the bilsteins as Greg I believe it was stated although radflo is better they don't make much of a difference when weighed down, so recommended to kep the bilsteins. So overall I hope to get the rear suspension with the rear swing tire bumper, and a roof rack. Hopefully I can get all this done on the 4th July weekend when I'm back home. 

 


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